These Kids Changed Everything - Rob and Sky's Song of Hope

These Kids Changed Everything - Rob and Sky’s Song of Hope

 [Speaker 3]

Welcome to a little slice of something real. I'm talking about Rob and Sky, two musicians who don't just write songs, they live them. They took this idea, that love's the only thing worth fighting for, and turned it into the song, when we love one another.

Picture this, elementary kids running wild, laughing, no agenda, just pure joy. That's what these two wanted you to feel first. Not politics, not headlines, just people, kids, and a tune that says, hey, maybe we're all on the same side.

They're about to sit down and talk it out, why they wrote it, who they wrote it for, and why a country beat feels right when the world's too loud. So lean in, this one's for all of us. Now here's Rob and Sky with the Trout, enjoy.

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[Speaker 2]

How did you meet? I don't think I asked you.

[Speaker 3]

How did you guys meet?

[Speaker 1]

So, yeah, we had a mutual music friend. Actually, I say a music friend, it's one of our guitar players that plays with us, that frequents with us. And he had been playing with Robert for a while, and me and him had another band together.

We had the Skylar Wallace Band that played locally here in Birmingham. And one, I actually think Robert may have been kind of under the weather, I think, for a wedding. Oh, that's true.

It seems to have been. Yeah. You were a little, you were a little under the weather.

I want to say this was back in, I don't even know, February, March of last, this past year.

[Speaker 2]

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]

It was a wedding. It was a wedding.

[Speaker 2]

And so we had. Were you at the wedding or performing at the wedding?

[Speaker 1]

He was performing.

[Speaker 2]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Speaker 1]

All right. So it was this, it was that time of year, like at this time of year. I mean, you know, we can get this later, but, you know, I was a school teacher, elementary teacher, like I get exposed to.

Everything. Everything. Yeah.

All the time. And so, I mean, I have to stay on top of it, but we were playing a wedding and Andrew was my guitar player at the time and Skylar, Skylar was there as well. And it was the first couple of songs, got up here on stage, he's like, I'm not going to do it.

Skylar. I knew Skylar could sing. I'd heard her before.

And Andrew had been pushing to get her on stage with me before. And I was like, hey, can you do this? Can you get up here with us?

[Speaker 2]

So you're at a wedding. This is at a wedding.

[Speaker 1]

This is at a wedding. At the reception.

[Speaker 2]

Okay.

[Speaker 1]

All right. And she gets up here on stage, first song, I can't, probably Gunpowder and Lead or something. Yeah.

I actually think it was.

[Speaker 3]

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]

Everybody got up and ran to the stage. It was like, this is the best thing ever.

[Speaker 2]

It was so fun.

[Speaker 1]

I ended up playing the rest of the, the whole wedding with y'all. It was so fun.

[Speaker 2]

That dude there, get him on stage. Get off. Dude, get off.

[Speaker 1]

That's exactly how it went, too. That's exactly how it went.

[Speaker 2]

It was awesome. So how did it come about, though, that you guys, because you said you live in Birmingham, right?

[Speaker 1]

I do. Yes. I'm in Birmingham.

[Speaker 2]

So how did it come about that somebody said, hey, why don't you come up here and do a gig at Jelly Rolls or whatever you want, or wherever you were doing? And maybe you were doing something down in Alabama or something like that.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah. Well, so the people that have booked me over the years in downtown Nashville, when it started way back when, also, I got on the phone with him a little over a year ago. And my drummer had been playing with several bands.

His name is Brandon. And Brandon told me that Brad, the guy that had been booking shows up in downtown Nashville, was like, hey, man, he's at it again. There's a new bar opening up downtown called Jelly Rolls, and he might be able to get you in.

So I'd never played there, and I've checked it out. It was really nice. And so I gave him a call, and he got us up there, and we kind of tried to figure out what slots worked for me playing on the weekends, like Fridays and Saturdays.

Having a regular Friday and Saturday night gig just wasn't going to work. So he figured a Sunday afternoon would be perfect. And we would get during football season and Predators and baseball, all those seasons, there's lots of games and things going on on Sundays.

And usually I'd be back in town. And so that was the perfect time slot. And it's kind of a coveted time slot, too, for musicians that travel and play a good bit.

[Speaker 2]

It was on a Sunday, wasn't it? Is that what you're talking about?

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

Sunday afternoon. OK.

[Speaker 1]

72 to 6.

[Speaker 2]

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]

And we're one of the few bands that have been there since it started. Others have moved on, and they've replaced a few others. And so I guess, I don't know, I can't remember exactly how long ago it was.

It was at the wedding. Yeah, at the wedding. I think I was like, I made kind of like a joke and was like, hey, if you ever want any extra help on Sundays, I'd be happy to come up.

And you were like, sold. Let's do it. And I think I just kind of, I wouldn't go away after that.

I just stuck to you. Yeah. And for those people who don't know, there's a lot of talented people obviously downtown Nashville.

[Speaker 2]

Really?

[Speaker 1]

Playing these shows.

[Speaker 2]

Really?

[Speaker 1]

But that girl right there. I'm shocked. She's got, she has got some pipes on her.

And, you know, there's, we've never played a show downtown where somebody has not approached Skylar or me or sent us a follow up message on Facebook or Instagram or wherever to say like, you guys really, we were there all weekend and you were the best band there. And that means a lot.

[Speaker 3]

Because there's a lot.

[Speaker 1]

It's the best feeling. It's really the best feeling. It feels like all of your work pays off.

Everything that, you know, the drive or the whatever. It's like, it's just, it's a, it's a great thing to hear. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

Well, you want to, you want to, and I say this to people all the time. When you walk on stage, it's your job. People like you just the moment you walk on stage.

They have no reason not to like you. Right.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

It's your job as a performer to keep them liking you. Yeah. That's it.

So if they, if you go up there and after 10 minutes they go, hmm. Yeah. But if you go up there and, and one of the hardest things is always for me when I play it a lot was people come up and tell me how, Oh man, your guitar playing is great.

I'm a lead guitar player.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

And I just always said, Hey, it's a gift. I don't, you know, even though I've got an ego, my wife will tell you that. I'll tell you right behind me is my Marshall lamp.

So that should tell you everything you want to know. But anyway, but that feeling is, and I, and I've said this to people too, and I've asked some very famous people this or mentioned it to them. And you guys know this feeling.

And that means the night that everybody seems to know what everybody's thinking. The moment you do it, you're all just like in sync. You can play all the time and still sound good, but there are certain nights that are just something different.

[Speaker 1]

They're magical. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

And, and I've, I've told people and I said, if you could, and I've asked them, people that payments, but they, Oh yeah, you're right. I know exactly what it is. If you could bottle that up and then put in the fact that the audience is one with you.

Yeah. You can't get any better than that. No.

Except when you write your own song and they start singing it back to you. Right. Then you've reached the epitome of like, Oh, this is okay.

It doesn't, you know, people ask me, why do you do it? That's why you do it. So last year you won an award from the Alabama people.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

For Best Country Artist.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

But also you have worked with your father. Is that correct?

[Speaker 1]

I have. Yeah. Yeah.

And we still like, you know, collab or we write together. We co-write a lot. Things like that.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

And I assume he's a country artist too, or what does he do?

[Speaker 1]

I mean. Yeah. He, so he, he doesn't really tour quite as much as, as he used to.

He kind of sticks more to like session work and just the writing side of things now that he's a little bit older. And he does still play on stage. Like he's got a big 70s cover band that tours and.

[Speaker 2]

What does he play? Is it a guitar?

[Speaker 1]

He plays guitar. Yeah. And he like dabbles with other things, but mainly guitars is his biggest focus.

So yeah. But like back in the day, like he was signed to Sony and toured and traveled and every, you know, all of the things. And he was up against like Boot Scootin' Boogie for an award for his line dance song, Line Dance of the Year.

And so, yeah, he, he's had his, his, his fun and the music business and just likes to, you know, give me tips and tricks. And then my mom also in the music industry. So it's, it's fun.

[Speaker 2]

What does she do?

[Speaker 1]

She toured with Confederate Railroad. So she was, they called them the Trashettes. So I used to love to give my mom, I used to love to give my mom head.

I would go to, I went to a Christian school. Okay. And I'd be like, yeah, my mom's a trashy woman.

You know, she's, she's a trashy woman.

[Speaker 2]

Yeah. So you've been exposed to the business to good, you know, what's good and bad before you got into it.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah. It's yeah. And I, I think I tried to, I tried to listen with caution and kind of stay guarded and everything.

A lot of people like to make a lot of promises and, you know, you kind of have to. What? Yeah.

Right. I know. I know.

I mean, really like when Robert came into my life, they're like, now who is this Robert guy? Like, who is he really? You know?

[Speaker 2]

You know, Robert and I had this conversation that I've been lucky enough to know a lot of people now that I can introduce other people to that are trustworthy. And I've interviewed a lot of younger artists that are just coming up and parents don't know anything. They're not, they're not that music.

They're not in a business. But when did you, what was your first, did you start playing an instrument young or did you start singing?

[Speaker 1]

Yeah, no, I actually started, I had kind of always, you know, just like as a kid, like kids do, like I sang and I would write little, you know, things and my grandpa would follow me around with a tape recorder. That's what, you know, he would follow me around.

[Speaker 2]

He'll use that against you later. I know.

[Speaker 1]

Oh, I have all of the recordings. They're in my possession. So when he passed away, that was like the first thing, but yeah, so I was always kind of singing and writing little stuff and then my dad, I'll never forget it.

I want to say it was like a birthday when I was maybe five, but like you just have these core memories, right? And I like came home and he came to town to visit me for this birthday or Christmas, whatever it was. And there was like a box and like, I remember it because the box at the time was larger than me because I was little and I was short and it was a guitar.

And it was like, wow, like this is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. And it was just this little black guitar. My daughter actually has it now.

I gave it to her to be her first guitar. And I, you know, I was like, this, this is magical. And from then on, I just started playing guitar and I'm not, I'm not a lead player at all.

Like we're lucky when I can play some good rhythm. Okay.

[Speaker 2]

But even if you don't even play, you can still look good up there.

[Speaker 1]

I can still pretend and they love it.

[Speaker 2]

Don't turn Skye's mic up again. Turn it down. Turn it down.

Well, let's get, let's get to the other part of it too, because the fact that, that, as I said earlier, I've known Robert, I guess now three or four years, it's been a while we've known each other. He was kind enough to send me, which he does occasionally. I had luckily last year was a year ago that I, you came to me and said, Hey, can you get the horns on this song?

I can't remember the name of that song now.

[Speaker 1]

Changed my mind.

[Speaker 2]

Changed my mind. Yeah. It was a great tune.

So I said, yeah, I'll, I'll do that. But he sent me this song and I can, what's the name? I always forget it.

It's got love in it. What's the title of the song that we're going to talk about at the Christmas time? When We Love One Another.

When We Love One Another. I don't know why I have this thing about it.

[Speaker 1]

I'm like, oh yeah. Like, I don't know what song we're talking about. Oh yeah.

That one.

[Speaker 2]

So I listened to it and I, it's, it's typical Robert song. And, and the thing about his songs that I like, and he knows this, I've told him this stuff, is it's always upbeat and he's always got a good hook going into it. So when you get through listening to his music, and I'm sure that's the way when you guys play out, you feel good.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

You know, you feel good. You don't feel like I want to go out and, you know, do something. I'm depressed already.

I want another beer. You know, who am I going home with tonight? No, not her.

Okay. Whatever. But it makes me feel good.

So when, as soon as I listened, or I watched the video, I turned to my wife and we were laying back. I said, hey, you got to watch Robert's new song. And she goes, that's really good.

But the thing you don't know, Skye, is the fact that I ran six boys and girls clubs before I retired. That was my last job. I was president of several.

And the first thing that came, and I told Robert this, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that video was, how long did it have to take him to get to parents to sign off on all these kids? That was the first thing I thought about.

[Speaker 1]

He actually called me. I don't know if it was the day of or whatever, and he's like, I'm trying to manage like all of these permission slips and parents and kids, and he was like, how far away are you? I'm like, three hours, I'm coming.

The amount of hectic things that had to happen to pull that video off, it was absolutely insane, especially the day of, and I'm getting that later if you want to, but.

[Speaker 2]

Well, I can, and you know, I talked about, we're going to talk about again, but here's the thing. I know how, and I told him this, and I'll tell you soon, I know how much work goes into that stuff. And the time that it took you to shoot it, I was shocked when he told me, but, you know, you got it.

And the thing about it is you got to stop and you got to replay it. You got to mix. You know, OK, got to run the sound.

You know, you got to go back and make sure you're in sync and all that good stuff. And because people know you're singing to your song and it's like you can't mess up a song you wrote.

[Speaker 1]

Right.

[Speaker 2]

You know, and how many of us have gone up, I've done, and get on stage and it's a song I wrote and somebody goes, well, Rick, let's go. And I go, I don't remember this song. You wrote it.

Right. The first three. Give me the first three lyrics.

OK, so. So when you're doing it and then you're under that, you got and I'm sure the whole time you were doing this, you have an audience.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah. So the fun thing was we did. We definitely had an audience.

[Speaker 2]

I mean, we had obviously parents and kids, but most parents and kids.

[Speaker 1]

We had, you know, once we got the permission slips signed, everything in on shooting day, I'd invite parents to actually if they wanted to come and watch, they could. But we had so much going on. Like there was just, I mean, trying to organize, making sure certain kids didn't get on the bus.

I mean, it's a minor thing, you think. But no, that's a huge deal when you're trying to round up 50 kids and they've signed permission forms, they're supposed to stay after school. You know, I don't want kids on the bus going home and a parent's expecting them to stay after school with me.

And some young. I mean, yeah. Oh, yeah.

They were young. And I'm running all over the school trying to track kids down, making sure they're where they're supposed to be. In the meantime, I hadn't heard from my own son who's he's basic training.

And we're about to go up, see him in a couple of days. And I hadn't heard from him in two weeks. And he calls me right in the middle of this, like me trying to track people down.

I'm going to follow him.

[Speaker 2]

Perfect timing.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah. He's like, hey, dad, he's like, he's trying to tell me all this stuff. And he's like, and I'm like, where's where's Tyson?

Somebody tell me. Hey, Eli, I'm sorry. You know, I mean, it was it was awful.

And I had asked him to call me back in 10 minutes. Well, he calls me 10. This is right.

The school's schools are with me 10 minutes later. And I still haven't found Tyson. And I'm running all over the school, finally figured out that somebody grabbed him.

He was going to Boys and Girls Club, and somebody grabbed him out of line and pulled him where he's supposed to be. But the day before action, Cordell, baby, he came up to the school. We kind of mapped out what we're going to do.

He knew that we're on borrowed time. We had an hour and a half to go from start to finish. And we have mapped out exactly what we were going to do.

And we did. We had people wandering the halls. We had parents that were there watching.

We had a photographer there. We had a lot of things going on at once. But it was absolutely an amazing experience for those kids.

And not being able to hear. We couldn't hear the music. Couldn't hear anything.

Because I gave them all. We gave them instruments. You can kind of see in the video.

We gave them like they had ukuleles and drums and everything else. And so they're just beating the crap out of these drums. And this little speaker playing the song.

And we have a speaker this big playing between me and Skyler. We can hardly hear it. I think at one point we looked at each other.

Just started laughing. And they like swarmed around us. And like ran down the hall with their instruments.

And we're just like can't hear the song. They were so excited. It was supposed to be a Mardi Gras kind of march down the hallway.

You know, just like a marching band. And we're picking up kids as we go, you know. And like she just said, eventually they were just so excited.

They just marched right on past me and Skyler. So we ended up being in the middle. Pushing us out of the way.

This is our song. But it actually ended up working. It actually worked out pretty good.

They ended up passing us. And we were kind of just stuck in the middle of them.

[Speaker 2]

So yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, there's a couple scenes. I remember seeing it.

So whose idea was it to come up with the lyrics on the boards?

[Speaker 1]

That was mine. I had done that in a previous video years before with another song. And I thought it would be cute to do that with them and just find, you know, a few kids that could probably stand out on camera and put it on there.

We didn't actually get all the kids in there that had a sign. We didn't have time.

[Speaker 2]

You can't.

[Speaker 1]

Right. Yeah. I mean, three and a half minute video.

You can only put so much in there, you know.

[Speaker 2]

But I think in your situation, it worked out really well because it brought in individual kids because then they can go like, I was in it, but you weren't. Look at me. So Skyler, when did you first hear the song?

And what form was it when you heard it? How long?

[Speaker 1]

It was a demo. It was just like a rough demo. And I want to say we had gotten done playing like a string of shows.

It was like I want to say we left on like a Thursday and it was like a private. I want to say it was a private gig that we did up in like we started in Nashville, then went to Kentucky and then around and back to Nashville. And we were in the truck driving back from a gig after being up at night and everything.

We were tired and we were like song shopping, you know, as you do when you're trying to figure out what you want to put on an album or an EP or anything. You get things pitched to you or you have a catalog of songs that you've written. So we were kind of just shopping through seeing what we might want to potentially add.

And Robert was like, hey, I have this song. Why don't you listen to it and see what you think about this one? And he just turns it up in the truck.

We got some other guys with us.

[Speaker 2]

It was on your phone, wasn't it?

[Speaker 1]

Yeah, it was on his phone.

[Speaker 2]

Was it a scratch or was it the original?

[Speaker 1]

Just a little demo.

[Speaker 2]

You'd written it like years before.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah, it's been about four or five years ago.

[Speaker 2]

But was it already had music with it when you heard it? Just acoustic. Just you.

OK, gotcha.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah. And so he like he turns it on and I mean, not even 10, 15 seconds into the song. I'm like, yeah, this is great.

You know, and it was so positive and like just you felt so much joy listening to it. Kind of like what you said, like it's his stuff is very, you know, uplifting and it's very bright. And, you know, we really wanted something like that for the album anyways.

And so it was just an automatic lesson. You know, we like had songs that you put up with other contender songs and like they're going against each other and you're going to this one didn't even have a contender. It was just top of the list.

Yeah, for sure.

[Speaker 2]

So well, I think in a lot of times, you know, yeah, you know, and there's also times that you don't know. And the music industry is littered with people that thought this record would do well, but it was not even that record at all. People listen to it was something else they recorded at the same time when I and I listened to it.

And I don't know if I ever said this to you, Robert, before, but I'm always disappointed that you don't have better, better followers, more people watching your stuff because I've seen you. You've become a better songwriter since I've known you. But when when you bring stuff out and I'm going like, OK, that's that should do well.

And I and to me, I sometimes and I know you probably do the same thing. It's kind of like, why isn't this doing better?

[Speaker 1]

I think what happened to me is is I think early on when I first started doing this, I would I would put a lot of energy into one song and and really try to get it out into the songs weren't good enough. Like I could listen to songs that I did 10 years ago and some of those I would be like, I would never.

[Speaker 2]

What was I thinking this song out? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]

And and I've learned and I've grown and I've learned from other songwriters. And but, you know, I get to this point in my life where I just enjoy what I do. You know, and if you know, sometimes things happen organically and, you know, you see it happen all the time on social media.

Somebody does something that's that's just organic and it works. And, you know, for me, I just know that with the way record labels have been in the past several years, just trying to put a song out, you just never know where to aim your song. Sometimes you just got to write it, do a good job on it, polish it up, put it out there and sometimes see if it takes a life of its own.

[Speaker 2]

I think, Skylar, when you when you got in this business, what was your goal? Well, and I just asked somebody else the other day. So if you had a wave of one and money was no object, what would you what would you want to do with what you know about music that you do?

[Speaker 1]

You know, I could I could say the really like, you know, answer that you expect everybody to get. It's like I want to sell out stadiums or whatever.

[Speaker 2]

A lot of people don't tell me that. Some people don't.

[Speaker 1]

Really? Well, really? Well, I think it's amazing.

[Speaker 2]

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]

You know, I think for me personally, like I just I want it to be what is my full time just job like I truly just like, yeah, I want to sell places out and like I want you know, I want to hear my songs on the radio and like whatever. Do I necessarily want to be Taylor Swift? I you know, I know like I you know, I think that it's brilliant, brilliant business person.

Oh my gosh, she's she's phenomenal. Like I am a big Swifty lover. But like, you know, I'm kind of one of those people.

It's like as long as I'm doing what I love and I'm doing it for the right reasons. And like I that's all that matters to me, you know, like at the end of the day, if I can make some money off of it and like if I can support my kids like and I think as a mom, that's how I think, right? Like I'm like, I want to support my kids like I want to get to do what I'm passionate about and what brings me joy and fills my cup and what an honor to get to do that and to be able to support my family in the process.

And I think that that's I mean, that's what I want. That's my goal. Do I want to sign a record deal?

Yeah, I'd love to sign a record deal. Will it happen? I don't know.

Only time will tell. You know, you just got to keep pushing and keep dreaming and working hard at it and making connections and play in and and see where the road takes you.

[Speaker 2]

So I think the thing about it is more and more people and you both know this are going independent because they don't like that.

[Speaker 1]

They don't. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

And but this is the thing I think that's hard for people like you. Both you independent artists. It's a lot.

It's you're a mother. Yeah. Robert has a job.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

I mean, you have a family. He has a family, too. It's hard to donate even people that are very well off and I mean, do well to donate the time because you're running a business.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]

You know, I know a couple out of Oklahoma that are starting to make it big and they just did some stuff. She's written a lot of stuff for like Hallmark movies and they travel. She books all the gigs.

They're going all the time. But they don't have any kids. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]

And but the dream, though, is for the kids to be able to come to be on the tour bus for grandma to retire and be stay at home grandma on the tour bus.

[Speaker 2]

And you're the only one on a tour bus. Just right.

[Speaker 1]

Robert's there, too.

[Speaker 2]

Robert, I don't mean it that way. I mean, like you're not in a berth with the other 20 people that are in the band. You know, I have my own bus guy.

I see you, Robert.

[Speaker 1]

Have our own buses with us.

[Speaker 2]

You know, that's the funny thing. I grew up watching ZZ Top in Texas. They asked him when they finished there before Dusty died.

How did they stay together for 50 years? And the answer was they all had three separate buses. I think that's probably tongue in cheek, but they probably meant it to a certain degree.

Well, you know, I didn't see that.

[Speaker 1]

And then look at what happened to Fleetwood Mac. You know, you got to sometimes the same bus doesn't do you justice.

[Speaker 2]

You're on stage with them. You get through all the stuff and all that stuff that goes with it. There's a chemistry for both of you that shows up.

I have friends that used to know people in the movie business or TV business. There is there is certain chemistry that people have with the camera. They do.

And some people, you can put them in front of the camera. You go, and the other people go, OK, there's something about that. When you guys do your thing together and I'm not going to tell you in the, you know, I know, Skylar, you have a lot of energy.

That's oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah, really? Let me just tell you. Let me just tell you.

One of the biggest things that energized me was, you know, I've been doing this for a while. And, you know, anybody that's good guitar player during whatever you have to be able to feed off, though, the other people around you in order to create chemistry. And so the first time that Skylar got on stage the very first time at that wedding, it instantly gave me a different vibe on stage to feed off of.

And once we started playing these shows together and especially, you know, downtown playing in downtown Nashville, one of the great things about Skylar is the second the lights come on, she's she's a she's a pro. She's a real pro. And she she she attacks the microphone.

She. She does this one. I got to keep turning it down.

[Speaker 2]

You don't have to tell her to stop being shy. You don't know.

[Speaker 1]

No, she sings on. No, the first time we met, he told me I'm going to have to turn it down a little. But we all feed off that energy and it makes it makes everybody better.

And I like surrounding myself with people that are better than me. You know, I'm not the best guitar player. I'm not the best vocalist.

I'm definitely not the best drummer. You know, none of the things that I do on stage. Am I the best at.

But he undersells himself. He's phenomenal. He's absolutely phenomenal.

But surrounding myself with incredible people, it definitely elevates. Sure, it does.

[Speaker 2]

If you continue to do what you like every day and get up there and it shows like you said that that breeds more people want to come see you. Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big believer. How many bands I've been and we always spend all this time trying.