Season 03 - Episode 16 – Joanne Shaw Taylor | Transcription 

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PODCAST INTRO (Trout): Hey everybody, it’s Trout. Hope you're having a great day and welcome to The Trout Show. Today's episode stars a very talented musician, originally from the UK who makes her home now in America. And she has discovered at the Ripe Old Age of 15 by Dave Stewart. Now, if you're not familiar with Dave Stewart is he was part of this, but he's also very well known for producing some very talented musicians. Like our guest today, Joanne Shaw Taylor. Joanne started playing and liking Stevie Ray and really got into the blues, that's what she wanted to play. And she continues to do that now with her band as she tours across the United States and Europe. It's not just a blues artist abuse guitar. She also writes some poppy kind of stuff too, that she likes, but she's helped along by people like Joe Bonamassa. She's played and opened up for people with Steve Vai, Jeff Beck, some very well-known musicians. And the reason why is because she's very talented, and I think you'll like her music. I think you'll like her story because she has some funny things to talk about that. So up next, the gal that studies Stevie Ray, and now plays like Stevie Ray only better, Joanne Shaw Taylor. That's next on The Trout Show.

Trout:You got kind of discovered when you're, how old were you like 12 or something like that?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: When I met Dave Stewart, I was 15. 

Trout: Okay, you're 15. So did you realize and this is something that I've always been kind of intriguing me. So did you realize that 15 you had the skill that you had? Or you just kind of said? Were you kind of shocked other words, you're out playing? I don't know the circumstances. But it's been a while back but you're playing in Stewart goes, I think I want to help you. Did it dawned on you at that point that you said, “Man, I must be good, or how did it come about with your mind to go wrap yourself around that?”

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I don't remember ever, which sounds a little obnoxious. But I don't remember being that or having that sort of pinch of ego.

Trout:No, I know that you've not seen. I mean, you just kind of play now.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: No, I don't think it ever really occurred to me. It never occurred to me that I couldn't do it. And that I wasn't capable of learning how to play guitar and learn it well, but it never, I don't think it ever really occurred to me that I was better than anybody else, or I still don't think I am. I think it's always been for me just thankful that I found this means of expressing myself, I knew that that was going to be very therapeutic in life and a giant benefit but also opened up my world. I grew up in a very small English village wasn't particularly very white Church of England School. There wasn't a great mix of cultures. 

Trout:Which part of the country that you grew up in?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I grew up in a village called Chestnut Green, which is close to Solihull. So it's Stratford upon Avon Birmingham. But lots of farmland and the village and everyone who lived in the village went to the school, so we're all like, its own little world. So I knew it would open up my world in terms of meeting lots of different people and travel. So I think I was more sort of focused on that then. I don't think I ever thought I was good. I think even like Dave, I've kind of thought probably an idiot to think that I'll go with it.

Trout: Well, I assume you know who he was when you saw him. Did you? 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I ain’t. 

Trout: You didn't?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I was in my bedroom and so we've done a charity gig tonight of breast cancer, as my mom had just been having receiving treatment for it at the time. And a friend of Dave was there and passed on a little demo CD I done to him. So we found the house the next day, and my dad burst into my bedroom. I remember I was watching a Stevie Ray on DVD. David Stewart's on the phone. I'm like, “I don't know who that is.”

Trout: But your dad knew he was, but you didn’t.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: He's like Annie Lennox. I'm like, sound familiar. Anyway, he wants me to go to London tomorrow, we're going to London and he wants to send you to a record deal. I was like, “Cool” just usual, kind of, they say nothing.

Trout: But you know what, here's the thing. This has happened to me. When you get up my age group and you start talking to people, this is a few years ago. So I was at a college. I'm 10 minutes away from one of the biggest universities in Texas. It's a liberal arts, very famous people have gone to school there. The guy from Eagles, Paul Shaffer that played with Letterman, all those guys, they all went there. So I went out and watched a band a spin a few years ago, and I walked up to the guy that was playing the band. I said, “You sound a lot like, the lady I can't remember his name on the lead guitar player from Queen.” Who is there? And I’m like, “You don't know who Brian May Queen?” I got a clue. I didn't go into that. So it's just same thing with you. I just kind of walked away.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well, in my defense, I was 15 years old. 

Trout: I mean, he was in college. But form there was that when the ball started rolling for you as that young when you go?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: It was looking back in the ball started rolling, and I thought it was going in that direction. And then after about three years, the ball abruptly stopped which I think was the best thing that ever happened to me. So the labor went bust before I could release any material. And I sort of retreated back to my parents’ house and got a part time job in a pub. I mean, my parents were fantastic. They were always very, very supportive. So the deal was we're not going to charge you rent. If you get a job, that's enough to pay for your car insurance and your phone and pocket money, we'll let you live here for free and you can spend the week days working on your music. And that took about another four years of kind of learning to write songs and gigging and getting a good band together. And then I reached out to Thomas Roof and sign so it was the ball got rolling. And I had this sort of amazing experience of opening up for BB King and being on the road with Dave and tour buses and going every European city you can think of an art galleries and then all of a sudden I was in a village in Northampton shear not doing anything and having no money. And any money I could scrounge.

Trout: You’re telling him, “Hey, guess who I just played with?” but you're here now.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Which was great. It was really humbling and it really changed my work ethic. I think understanding how hard this industry is, and how persevering do you have to be and getting in a mini with great, which I don't know, you're American, if you remember, the old man is with a Fender bass one on the side seat with a duvet wrapped around it and thrive in 10 hours to Glasgow because your car only goes 40 miles an hour doing driving back home. It's good. I wouldn't want to do it again.

Trout: But the thing about it is, and a lot of people don't understand this because the way the world is on the internet, now you can put something on YouTube and go viral. And everybody goes, and you don't you don't pay that dues.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Certainly pre Facebook.

Trout: You know, and the thing about it was that I wouldn't do it. I've been playing guitar for 50 years. And I just had an opportunity when I was 20 years old to go and meet with some very famous people. And my brother talked me into going to university and I said, well then I got married, blah, blah, blah, but I never wanted to be these guys that you just got through saying, getting the van or a mini or something with three other people or four other people travel from town to town, getting in a room and maybe eating peanut butter and jelly, whatever it is just for the next gig and pray to God that something happens. And therefore I never got where I wanted to go. And so now fast forward to now I am now interviewing people like you that I can talk about it but you just paid your dues.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well, I thought you had a proper job.

Trout: But you’re in corporate America and I still am still a player and I still record and produce blah, blah, blah. But the thing about it is you got to saying this, I think for me when it comes to people like you that's on tour all the time. Walter Trout is a prime example. He goes between here and then it goes to Europe, he goes on tour, what you're going on in about a month. I noticed I always look at people's tour dates, you get a little break, and then you go to St. Louis after today, and then you're going out, then you go to Europe. It's not a lie for everybody. And I think the other thing too, is when you're as good as you are Joanne, and people expect you every night when you walk on stage to be the best you can which not necessarily you're not going to be, but you're human. And, and there are dates, you don't feel good and all that stuff. So I always admire people like yourself that are on the road all the time. That continually and like you said you hit I don't know where I am, I know where I am. I don't know what date it is. So I appreciate that. What motivates you still, you've been on tour now for years, what keeps you going and now, you get paid to do it. And people think young people think, “Oh, that's great, I'll get in front of 20,000 people are thrilled that when your gigs might be 1000 or 2000, whatever you're playing in what it keeps you motivated.” What keeps you pushing down the road?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well, I think two things I'll say to that, which is one, just pick it up on your previous point about being able to perform to the standard you want to perform. Because I do like to say to younger artists, there was a time for 15 years where I felt like I had to do everything. It was already cool managing and driving the van some of the time and loading the gear. And then it's not just the show, it's the meet and greet afterwards and signing all the CDs. 

Trout: That’s work. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: It is. And that's why the work it's worth, if you've got 30 gigs to get through the best way of catching a cold, which means you're not singing go in and shake and a lot of hands. And it's great if you can do it when you're building your audience. But I always like to tell younger artists, particularly females, because I think as a female in a male dominated industry, there's still that thing you've seen as being a diva, if you're just putting your foot down. But look after yourself. At the end of the day, your job is to perform your art and entertain people and give them something some happiness or energy or whatever you feel it is. So if you can't do that, and do the meet and greets and do the interviews, then don't do them. Put your foot down.

Trout: Just walk off the stage and be done with it, I guess certainly.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Do you have a shower? Do you yoga? Do you vocal cool down, talk to your partner, whatever it is, that's your job, you got to look after yourself when it's no one's going to look after you in this business. One's going to keep asking you to more and more so. But in terms of what motivates me, I think it's always been the same thing. I've never felt competition with other guitar players. I know. Coming up, the boys are very competitive with each other. My main thing was always trying to figure out how I can be the best person, I can be best person best musician best partner best daughter. I have control over that I don't have control over how successful anyone else is. So I think it's also being on that journey of I like the fact that my albums change when I look back at my albums they all sound like Joanne Shaw Taylor, but they do sound like 22 year old Joanne and 38 year old Joanne, so I think it's about the journey as much as anything for me of it's kind of documenting my life I suppose when I look back. 

Trout: But there's no destination when you talk about that. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I'm going to go, maybe I'll decide to do an acid jazz album one day I'm sure.

Trout: The thing about it is what you do is a blues person myself and you got to do more than one, four or five. I mean, there's a lot in that which is why I play it.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well I will say that I'm a blues guitarist but not a blues artist. Which I think stems from the fact that growing up all my influences were male guitar players. The guitars are gender neutral instrument. I can try and sound like steal your album. But when it came to singing I couldn't sound like that so I had to go find other influences and predominantly females were in different genres soul and pop and sort of classic rock, Stevie Nicks, etc. So I really had to kind of adapt Ron blues to be able to figure out how to sing and write songs that you have that

Trout: But you're lucky though, in aspect that your voice kind of fits into that you have a deeper voice you an alto, I guess you'd be considered an alto singer. And when you're singing, if you're singing like some Stevie Nicks got this different voice too. But when you're doing pop singing, it's higher because the female register, but you've got more of that thing that you can do, because it's just natural for you. That's just your voice.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I'm more on the adult spectrum than I go.

Trout: That's a good person to compare yourself to. So if you keep motivating, I think that's the thing when you think about it, we were just talking about Jeff Beck, but the destination is Jetpack, I mean, in other words, that's it. When you're done, you're done. And then you hopefully get to meet Jimmy in person, somewhere above Jeff and go, “Hey, remember me?”

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Trout: But the thing about it for me is when people like you perform, then you've got the other thing to go with it. Like you just said at the beginning, before we started recording. You’re constantly working on new stuff. And one of my fears, and it's got to be worse for some IQ that one day that creative things going away. I mean, you could sit down and write a song, but can you write a song?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Always take little break after writing. I always say writing is like turning on a tap. You gotta wait for the warm water to get warm. And then eventually, the water tanks gonna run out of water and it goes cold again maybe your first ideas. It's like, “Oh, my God, that's just a copy of another song I did 10 years ago, but worse.” So you always have those anxieties, but and for COVID for instance, I couldn't find anything to worry about during COVID. Which is why the blues album did a covers album. So it's a worry. But when it runs out, it runs out. I don't know, I'll go foster some puppies or do well, if you're gonna shout or something,

Trout: The other thing though, is and this is what I've seen a trend now more thing is the meet and greet. And people saying, I love you. I think your music is great. That just fills your tank up every time I would imagine when you're going out and shaking.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I love it. I love meeting people. I genuinely do. If anyone's been following my career for a long time, I think they will know that I wasn't particularly very good at meeting people in the early days. And looking back it was a bit of a combination of I was so young. And the fan base was predominantly men much older than me. And if you think about your 13 year old girl, all the guys I've met were either family figures, uncles, dads or authority figures like school teachers, though, to have these guys coming up to you wanting to talk to you and shake your hand. And it was a bit kind of the walls went up a little bit. And then I kind of got used to that, I suppose. And then COVID did me the world of good because I just sort of rested for two years. And I was pretty burned out. So I came back with a lot more enthusiasm. And also, I'm older now. So if anything creepy happens, I'll just tell them they're creepy or when you're 24 year old girl, it's like okay.

Trout: Everybody's creepy when you're 24 years old. Now, when you're older. When you get my age, people don't care. In other words, it there's a time when you get or I don't know about that. They just kind of like and I'm not talking about that part, but it's just like, he's not gonna hurt anything. If he wants to come back into back behind stage, because what is he gonna do? Come on, he's not gonna be bothered to do by. So I just think when you do what you do, and you do it all the time, it's work. And when I talk to young people, I always tell them the same thing. It's the business of music and there's just so many ways.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: There's so many of them. My grandparents were coal miners that’s kind of job. I go talk to people and shake my shake hands with people who already liked me before they meet me. 

Trout: So it's pretty cool. Isn’t it? I don't know who you are. And that's the one thing I've always said to myself when I meet famous people is sometimes I don't want to meet them. Because then you find out what they're like. And if I had a chance, if I'd met Jeff or even somebody like Pete Townsend, Eric Clapton people have been looking at for years, I just walk up and say, “Hey, appreciate your music. What are you going to say?” Because if you have started with talking with and you might go like, I don’t like that person. I wish I'd never visited with him.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well, you're always, particularly with social media trying to get your personality across, which for me is a very British sense of humor, which can go one way or the other way like religion in this country. It's like, ‘Dude, you got to go watch Monty Python films, and then you might understand where I'm coming from”. 

Trout: I talked about that the other day young person on my granddaughter about Monty Python, or somebody young, and I said, you need to go watch Monty Python. And I was quoting from one of the movies, I don't remember which one it was. 

We watched the whole thing. 

Trout: I think so meaning like, that was one of the skits. I remember saying, I go in there like who is Monty Python? I said, “Never mind, if you don't do it.” So question number two is get more than one question. I mean, why did you decide? I got nothing against this city. But what attracted you to Detroit?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: It was just fate really, I'd always wanted to tour the states. I'd always wanted to live here. Which I think is down to what two things. One, all my influences were American, you were saying about you got into the blues, through the stones. And I think there was that exchange of Americans getting into the stones and Zeppelin and John mail, and then our spreads getting into the Texas stuff and Chicago. So I'd always wanted to live here for that reason. And the other reason being, I was from a country that’s big and surrounded by water. So it's, you feel broke, feeling very isolated, or I did. So the idea that there was this massive landmass that you could traverse without having to go through borders unlike mainland Europe, just sounded wonderful, particularly for touring. So I was doing a gig in England in Worcester, and had a sport band, and they were from Detroit. And we got talking, we kept in touch. And eventually, I'd done one sugar about the following year on roof and said, “Look, Thomas Roof doesn't talk European artists in America, it's too expensive. But I've saved up some money. I'm going to try and get the visa. If I booked some gigs route it out of Detroit. Can you help me with a van and a rehearsal space and backline and which we did, and I managed to get the visa and two weeks’ worth of gigs.” And then we got an agent off the back of that, which booked another six week tour with Eric Sardinas. So we read it again, out of Detroit. And so it just kept.

Trout: He just stayed there?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I mean, it was like 22. So all my friends are gone to university. One was in Australia, one was in Barcelona, there's nothing really for me in the UK, by the time, I got based in America and came back. Those friends had now children and got married. 

Trout: You're the kind of person is like cheesy musician. . My family. Here's my kids. What do you do for a living? I go to chartered accountant every day.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I've got 10 or honorary nieces and nephews at this point. I love them all. But they don't want you Joe Joe's on tour.

Trout: When did you decide, because I watched some of your videos? Obviously, I try to watch your bike before I interview him because I'm a guitar player. I'm a Les Paul guy. But I do have some stretch stuff when I want single coil stuff on a record. You play a telly a lot that I noticed that has hum buckers in it. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: It does, but I never use them. 

Trout: So the one that use by the bridge is that or you use the standard? 

Every dock

Joanne Shaw Taylor: On every guitar ever play, it's always in the bridge position and I never change it. Never touched the volume, never touched the tone and never touch the pickup.

Trout: So what was it about the tele that you like about it?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: It was intentional to be honest. My first guitar was a strap kid that was obsessed with steaming. And also I think as a lot of blues guitarists of my generation will attest to that was a big Stevie freak to sound like him too much even though he's a massive influence. So it's Albert Collins really gravitated that and Jonny Lang actually had just come out which was a great influence for me because it was so nice to see someone nearly my age out there touring and doing it. So between the two of them, I just thought one, I sound less like Stevie monetarily. And be just kind of fell in love with it and enjoy it. 

Trout: Do you push it much to use? I'm not a real big pedal federal person that much, do use it many stuff on the floor?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I got one tube screamer in a reverb pedal.

Trout: That's it?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Maybe I will say it's a female thing but there's so much going on up there between the sound and organizing the band and thinking about where we're at in the set. And what's coming up next. What I'm switching to and is that audience member, let the past out. Do I need to call the show stopped? Why do I want to have to worry about pushing buttons? I got enough.

Trout: I've never heard it described that way but that's interesting. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I'm hoping someday again, inhale. It's a really I want to make my life more complicated. It's fun.

Trout: But blues players are not known to put a bunch of crap on there anyway.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: And you know what, it's just that I don't need something else to be wasting my money on.

Trout: And what do you use to pick what your amps that use it to push it out?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I got 61 Fender bass when I'm a 62 Fender bass one big buck.

Trout: This is just for my edification anyway, what size strings to use?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I use the Ernie Ball. So skinny top heavy bottom, so they tend to the top. I tried to do the thing of elevens and twelve’s when I was younger, and this is not powerlifting thing chipolata

Trout: Well, I play nine because just it's easier for me because I do a lot of bending and of course when you're playing the Les Paul that's all about this massive piece of wood that you run through it and sustain. And I do a lot of my wife was watching the other day and said, your hand doesn't stop. I'm always doing. I don't wanna you know how that goes. And then occasionally though, you carry a Les Paul with you too or is it mostly…?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I switched to a Les Paul, I think it was like 2012 when I did the almost always never album. I felt like my playing got stagnant. So I kind of mix it up. And change picks, I went to the little jazz threes, and started playing a Les Paul, just to kind of find refresh. We just did my playing a lot of good. I tidied up my right hand. It was a bit sloppy before that. And just and then shortly after that, I did that for a couple of years and then totally suits me a lot better but sometimes you just need a guitar that sounds like a Les Paul.

Trout: I understand that. Occasionally, I like the whammy bar just to drop down just give it a little step but no Eddie Van Halen stuff for me because I never could figure that out. You know that tap and stuff. It's like I suck at it. I did know why turn it up to 11 and blow it out or whatever. And the thing about blues is most of the people that play blues, I grew up watching BB King, but it goes on. I think he may use a compressor a distortion or something like that, but he didn't do anything. In fact, his stuff is pretty thin when he plays because he plays on that and I think he plays in the bridge pick up all the time.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: He plays it most of the time, isn't it?

Trout: I think the other thing about you though you fit you've been fortunate to be able to work some very well-known artists. And I tell those people all the time when your quality is not because you suck is because you're really good at what you do. I mean seriously.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well, I don't think. I mean again for any young guys listening it's one of two things one I suppose I'm good at what I do, it'd pains me to say it, “I'm British.”

Trout: No, you're British, come on, at least you're not Canadian. Come on.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I've got a Canadian keyboard player and I never stopped referring to him as the Canadian. And then the other thing is I'm a nice person I'm professional. I'm easy to work with.

Trout: You’re British, come on. You've just got through saying that you're British Come on.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: But what else is makes a big difference the amount of kids that coming up that are just so full of ego and such a nightmare. And guess who gets you got to hire a support slot? Your name's Joe Bonamassa. And you need to support whose going to hire me because I'm going to turn up and being professional all my guys are great. He knows I'm going to respect the stage times, job done.

Trout: You are who you are.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Always try to stress that particularly because often I get compared to other female artists. Sometimes in a positive way like, if you like Joanne you'll like Sam Fish. And sometimes in a negative way. People who love Sam don't like me because they think I'm competing with her. Firstly, Sam's one of my best friends. I adore her. I'm just glad there's another girl out there that understand my mind to be honest.

Trout: Have you met her Texas girl and available yet?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: We did actually meet some did a few dates with her on the Deborah Norman tour. She's Sweetheart, I really.

Trout: I really haven't met her yet. But I know she's close to me. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: But it's that thing of particularly women, men competing women against each other. And it's like, this is the one thing that we're not competitive in just because you buy a Sam Fish album doesn't mean you can't buy a directional tailor one. And the only time that we're ever in competition would be if we were in the same town on the same night with different gigs.

Trout: Playing different gigs, then you are competing. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Even then you will probably just go, I'll go see Sam this time, and I'll see Joanne next time, so it's not. No one ever buys a Led Zeppelin album and refuses to listen to Rolling Stones because they've bought Led Zeppelin.

Trout: I gotta tell you something to it. And you know this, Americans just love a British accent. They go gaga over it.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: It's the only reason I'm having the minimal success I'm having here.

Trout: Oh, come on.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I'm exotic.

Trout: Now you're not, come on. I mean, it came with me with the Beatles. My aunt was from lived in Denver, which is where you were yesterday. And she was a World War Two bride. My uncle went over married or over there and brought over and so I was kind of used to it. And then when he started hearing the Beatles, and they're saying, and then all of a sudden a loophole. And you're like, “What's that? Where did that come from? How come their voice doesn't watch a change like that?”

Joanne Shaw Taylor: This has nothing to do with music, but you've just reminded me my nanny Vera, my grandmother, my paternal grandmother. When you asked her about World War Two, she just say, it was the best time of my life. Like, had a job. I was working on building tanks in a factory. I was rationing, your granddad buggered off. And there was an abundance of young American sailors shed it was the best time of my life. 

Trout: Isn't that funny though? So you moved over? You've been over here in America for quite some time?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: 2009. So be 14. So anyway, to be honest.

Trout: Yeah, that's true. And then it's funny, I was gonna ask you at the beginning, but Excuse me, but I figured I didn't need to ask after your dad said something because I kind of envision you living in this small community in the UK. Here they have your nickname? They call you Joanne, or they call you that was a nickname? 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Joe, Joe. 

Trout: Joe, Joe. So, Joe, Joe's in her bedroom listen, Stevie Ray. And all your friends are listening to what are they listening to back then? I was trying to think what they probably listening to 80s stuff.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I remember, they got excited because we went to the see the Backstreet Boys.

Trout: Oh yeah, that was. 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: But my friends were great. Actually. It's the two friends I mentioned earlier one, the one who went to Barcelona and the one still in Australia. So Helen and Liz would both, I would always listen to, we have to wear school uniforms, blazers. So I'd have my headphones through the sleeve or like up the back and then put my hair over it. So you can see the blues and making notes. And they'd always cover for me, like if they knew the teacher was about to ask a question. And they just write it down and give me the answer. Tailor, you're listening. What's the capital of…?

Trout: Those are good friends.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: But they come with geeks who make two lists now has two Letter land. RT and Edith and they know RT. Joe, Joe plays the tar, as they call it. They see my videos on YouTube and stuff so.

Trout: What I was going to ask. And then you mentioned your dad came in and said Dave Stewart's on the phone. I already knew he liked what you did.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: He played guitar and harmonica too. He was sensible when I got a proper job and managed to raise a family.

Trout: So how long you take a break for how many weeks before you go to Europe?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Well, depends what you mean by break.

Trout: You still gotta work. You gotta get ready to go, obviously.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: So the day I get home, I'm going to pick up my new dog. So which is a puppy.

Trout: What kind of dog you're getting? 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: I'm getting a miniature dash and if it was up to me, I'd go to the nearest get whatever old thing needs a good home, but unfortunately I need but I've always wanted to do that. But I put off having a dogs obviously I need something small enough to travel with them and I finally though. 

Trout: Do you take the dog with you?

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Oh yeah.

Trout: Is it a puppy or is it a …? 

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Puppy. 12 weeks, so I'm gonna have some sleepless nights ahead of me. And then I've got to do I'm doing a new album. And I think my fan base always been very clear of like that. I'm always going to record what I want to record. Because the alternative is recording what I think people want me to record and then I'm just chasing something fake that I gotta play what I feel, and I can't make you feel something if I don't feel it.

Trout: Have a great show tonight, Joanna. Thank you very much. Take care.

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Lovely to talk to you and be well.

Trout: You too. Bye, bye

Joanne Shaw Taylor: Bye. 

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PODCAST OUTRO (Trout): Well that's it for this episode of The Trout Show. Thanks so much for listening. I appreciate it very much. A special thank you to our guest today Joanne Shaw Taylor. We’ll watch her and follow her on YouTube, or go to our website for more information joanneshawtaylor.com. Special thanks and reach out to David Smith for supporting our channel as always. And remember if you want more information about The Trout Show, visit us on our website where you can find all the information about our podcasts and our YouTube. That's it www.hetroutshow.com. Thanks for listening. Until next time, remember, it's only “Rock and Roll”. See you.